why ...

[tsip29]

In Medicine one must pay attention not to plausible theorizing but to
experience and reason together...I agree that theorizing is to be
approved, provided that it is based on facts, and systematically makes its
deductions from what is observed...But conclusions drawn from unaided
reason can hardly be serviceable; only those drawn from observed fact —
Hippocrates


if it is clear that hiv alone cause aids. why is it then, that a big group
of respectable aidresearchers / docters challange the hiv/aids theory.

[GMCarter]

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:48:22 -0500, "tsip29" <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

snip>

Post by tsip29
if it is clear that hiv alone cause aids. why is it then, that a big group
of respectable aidresearchers / docters challange the hiv/aids theory.

What big group?

[PaulKing]

Take a look at Virusmyth 11,000+, AME 1,350, DAG 2,425, A & W 4,000,
Alternative AIDS, 2,454 and the thousands of members of the 250 other
groups Worldwide,

Take a look -: -

http://www.virusmyth.com

http://www.aimultimedia.com/daglinks/links.html


....and these a just the hard core activists.

[GMCarter]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:16:59 -0500, "PaulKing"

Post by PaulKing
Take a look at Virusmyth 11,000+, AME 1,350, DAG 2,425, A & W 4,000,
Alternative AIDS, 2,454 and the thousands of members of the 250 other
groups Worldwide,

Those old lists? I've looked. Most are not scientists--very few. Some
who are include people like the psychiatrist, Casper Schmidt. He was
actually a friend of mine in ACT UP--though he questioned the role of
HIV in AIDS. We had good debates. Til he died of AIDS in about 1993?
Somewhere around then.

Even people like Rethinking AIDS author, Robert Root-Bernstein, no
long disputes the role of HIV. He wrote perhaps the most interesting
treatise of questions on the issue. About the only ones left who have
a scientific background are about 3-4 people, Duesberg, the Perth
nutjobs, maybe Kary Mullis. That's it. And they don't even agree with
each other!!! Perth says "HIV doesn't exist at all"! Duesberg admits
it does but claims it doesn't cause AIDS. He explains this through
completely incredible comments like generating antibody means clearing
the infection--which is just incredibly stupid. And then blames
recreational drugs. Nonsense. I've known LOTS of recreational drug
users. The only ones that gets AIDS have HIV.

Those lists are like all your crap, Paul. Made up bullshit.

George M. Carter

[PaulKing]

Take a look at post 8 and 9 below.

[muslum]

why dont those people cure those who never take there neds and are dieing

[tsip29]

oke, people are dying, but what are they dying off. is it hiv or those
other disease the get because of there low imuum system.

sofar nobody has died of hiv,(has not been proven yet) they all have die
of those oppertunistic diseases they get because of there low imuum
system.

and did you know people are being treated through holistic/alternative
medicine or what ever you might call it. and they do recover of those
oppertunistic disease in spit of they have hiv.

if you really want to know, go check or do a study on the effects of
alternative medicine on aids.

you will see that there is more to aids then only what is called hiv.

gr,
Tom

[tsip29]

still i am not a docter a person trained in any medical knowledge, but i
have been a few year in the foeld of alternatieve vieuws. i saw people,
talked to them who dignosed with hiv/aids ,cancer or any other incrubale
disease. and they all recoverd or life an better positieve life then
before inspit of the diseases.

so my vieuw point there is more then what is being told.

sorry about my english , it is not my first languages.

[GMCarter]

Post by tsip29
oke, people are dying, but what are they dying off. is it hiv or those
other disease the get because of there low imuum system.

How does their immune system "get low" and what does that mean?

Here, it is HIV that causes CD4 cells to deplete to zero, if
untreated.

Post by tsip29
sofar nobody has died of hiv,(has not been proven yet) they all have die
of those oppertunistic diseases they get because of there low imuum
system.

Yes.

Post by tsip29
and did you know people are being treated through holistic/alternative
medicine or what ever you might call it. and they do recover of those
oppertunistic disease in spit of they have hiv.

Sometimes--some alt/holistic care should be a standard part of care.
My hero in that realm was Jon Greenberg. But AIDS claimed his life
some 11 years ago. Brilliant man. Another person to consider is David
Patient--but I have known many.

By contrast, some alt/hol therapies do nothing for HIV or make the
situation worse. Others are just marketing hype and bullshit.

Post by tsip29
if you really want to know, go check or do a study on the effects of
alternative medicine on aids.

LOL. Been doing that for 15 years.

Post by tsip29
you will see that there is more to aids then only what is called hiv.

HIV is the first step. THen there are LOTS of other things to do in
between. No question!! Part of it CAN be antiviral therapy and for
many it should be.

George M. Carter

[tsip29]

LOL. Been doing that for 15 years

what have you found out sofar!

you said some alt/holistic care should be a standard part of care.

why isnt that so! you only hear hiv,hiv,hiv.

first who might mr. G. m. Carter be! do you have a website!

i tell you i dont have any medical degree what-so-ever but what i see hear
there is a big debate going on between aidsresearchers.

[David Canzi -- non-mailable address]

Post by tsip29
i tell you i dont have any medical degree what-so-ever but what i see hear
there is a big debate going on between aidsresearchers.

I think there is one actual AIDS researcher here, but he doesn't
post often. What you see here mostly is a debate among cranks,
dilettantes, people affected by HIV or AIDS, curious scientific
amateurs, conspiracy theorists, rebels without a clue, and groupies.

If you want to see what AIDS researchers debate about, you have to
look where the AIDS researchers are, ie. the scholarly journals.

[PaulKing]

So true. Never in modern medical history have thousands of experts (doctors
and Phd's ALL said a hypothesis of a syndrome was a myth).

The cost of questioning 'AIDS' is high yet despite this thousands have
been willing to pay the price and challenge the myth.

Mass denial? This makes little sense as those involved are not so called
HIV positive. Profit or fame? Hardly. No action has a higher price costing
reputation, funding and position.

Why else? A moral imperative. What possible other reason?

[PaulKing]

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Zyskowski Stanley J., PhD (Farmington Hills, Michigan)
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Hiv/Aids Establishment:
Almendro Manuel, PhD in Psychology, (Spain)
Arias Montse, journalist, Director of the Spanish version of the journal
The Ecologist and of the newsletter Vida Sana, press reporter of
Biocultura, Spain.
Aubry Claude, Physician, Florida
Berken, Arthur, MD “Is the human immunodeficiency virus really the
initiator of human immunodeficiency?” (letter) New York State Journal of
Medicine (February 1988), pp. 85-86.
Brighthope Ian, MBBS, DipAgrSc, MATA, FACNEM, Australia, President of the
Complementary Healthcare Council of Australia and the Australasian College
of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine; author, The AIDS Fighters
Campos Dr. Nicolas, Los Angeles, naturopathic physician, chiropractor,
degree in Molecular Biology from UC Berkeley
Chamorro Dr. Jimmy, Honorable Senator, Colombian Republic (AIDS without
HIV: A new path for researching in the next century)
Costa Dr. Enric, MD, Valencia, Spain, author, SIDA: Juicio a un virus
inocente (“AIDS: An innocent virus on trial”)
De Avellaneda Elieth Gomez, N.D., Bucaramanga, Colombia
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University Hospital and Department of Physiology, Universidad Federal do
Ceara, Ceara, Brazil.
Deshmukh Dr. N.T., Nagpur, India
De Villegas Nhora Merino, MD, Head of the Laboratory of Pathology and
Clinical Laboratory of the Fundacian Santa Fe de Bogota
Edwards, Nigel, MA, Journalist, England
Feast James, PhD, New York University, former Assistant Editor of the
Journal of the History of Philosophy
Gomez Elliet, ND, Colombia
Incao Philip, MD, Steiner Holistic Medical, Denver, Colorado
Ippolito Prof. Ferdinando, co-author, AIDS – New Frontier
Mavligit Giora. Concluded that their results “strongly support the
hypothesis that allogenic sperm is an etiologic factor in the pathogenesis
of acquired immune dysregulation among homosexual males” who practice anal
sex.
McKenna Joan, Dr., Research Physiologist, Institute for Thermobaric
Studies, Berkeley, California.
Mendoza Dr. Antonio, MD, president, Colombian Association for the
Scientific Reappraising of the Etiology of AIDS (TOXISIDA)
Moise Francelot, MD, Haitian physician living in South Florida
Ojeih Dr. Paul Olisa Adaka, Medical Director, Iris Medical Foundation,
Lagos, Nigeria, author, Man and Diseases, AIDS: The Untold Truth and Cure,
and AIDS: The Plague That Never Existed.
Palacín Montserrat, MD, President of Spanish Kousmine Association, Expert
in RPG, Barcelona, Spain
Prada Dr. Mario Camacho, Governor of the State of Santander, Columbia
Quagliarello - proposed sperm exposure as a possible cause of AIDS in 1982
(rectally-deposited sperm has been found to be immunosuppressive in
rabbits)
Rey Claudia J. G., RN, Bucaramanga, Colombia
Ródenas Pedro, MD, founder of Integral, Natura Medicatrix magazines and
the Center for Integrative Medicine of Barcelona
Sanchez Adda, MD and homeopathic doctor
Soler Wilmer, MD, Spain/ Colombia
Suarez Elsa, PhD, Bucaramanga, Colombia
Verzini Dr. Eduardo, MD, Argentina
Wells Martin, Editor, Noseweek, Cape Town, South Africa
Zaninovic Vladimir, MD, Emeritus Professor of Neurology, Universidad del
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 Tine Van Der Maas - Nurse (South Africa) 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:22
AM
 Dr Frank Vincent Lekey 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:21 AM
 Marion Dumont - Nurse 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:21 AM
 John G. Padgett - Former staff member - AIDS Healthcare
Foundation 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:20 AM
 Peter Robinson Ph.D 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:19 AM
 Ross Pengilley Ph.D 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:19 AM
 Mark Bartlett - Public Health Inspector, Microbiology
Technologist 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:18 AM
 Renato Sabelli - Biochemist 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:17 AM
 Gladys Matandiko BSc 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:16 AM
 Bhavana Sen MBBS,D.O, DNB (Ophthal) 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:16 AM
 New dissidents : Gene Trosper - chairman of the Riverside County (CA)
Libertaria 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:15 AM
 Kevin Babb - Social worker in Africa 1   Moderator  10/10/2004 3:14 AM
 Mohsen Fathi Najafi   - Biotechnologist  (Iran)
Charles A. Thomas, Jr. Ph.D. (Mol. Biologist, Pres. Helicon Fnd., San
Diego, CA)
* Harvey Bialy, Ph.D. (Editor Bio/Technology, New York, NY)
* Harry Rubin, D.V.M. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
* Richard C. Strohman, Ph.D. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)

* Phillip E. Johnson (Prof. Law, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
* Gordon J. Edlin, Ph.D. (Prof. Biochem. & Physics, Univ. Hawaii, HI)
* Beverly E. Griffin, Ph.D. (Dir. Dept. Virology, Royal Postgrad. Med.
School, London, UK)
* Robert S. Root-Bernstein (Prof. Physiology, Michigan State Univ., East
Lansing, MI)
* Gordon Stewart, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Public Health, Epidemiologist, Isle
of Wight, UK)
* Carlos Sonnenschein, M.D. (Tufts Univ., Medicine, Boston, MA)
* Richard L. Pitter, Ph.D. (Dessert Research Inst., Univ. Nevada System,
Reno NV)
* Nathaniel S. Lehrman, M.D. (Psychiatrist, Roslyn, NY)
* John Lauritsen (Author 'Poison by Prescription', New York, NY)
* William Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY)
* Claudia Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY)
* Frank R. Buianouckas Ph.D. (Prof. Mathematics, Cuny, Bronx, NY)
* Philip Rosen, Ph.D. (Prof. Physics, Univ. Mass. Amherst, MA)
* Steven Jonas, M.D. (Prof. Preventive Medicine, Suny Stony Brook, NY)
* Bernard K. Forscher, Ph.D (Ret. Editor Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci., Santa Fe,
NM)
* Kary B. Mullis, Ph.D. (Biochemist, PCR inventor, Consultant, La Jolla,
CA.)
* Jeffrey A. Fisher, M.D. (Pathologist, Mendham, NJ)
* Hansueli Albonico, M.D. (General Practitioner, Langnau, Switzerland)
* Robert Hoffman, Ph.D. (Prof. Dept. Pediatrics Univ. Cal. Med. School,
San Diego, CA)
* Timothy H. Hand, Ph.D. (Dept. Psychology, Oglethorpe Univ. Atlanta, GA)

* Eleni Eleopulos, M.D. (Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, West Australia)
* Robert W. Maver, F.S.A., M.A.A. (Dir. Research, Mutual Benefit Life,
Kansas City, MO)
* Ken N. Matsumura, M.D. (Chairman Alin Foundation & Research Inst.,
Berkeley, CA.)
* David T. Berner, M.D. (Condon, MT)
* Theodor Wieland, Ph.D. (Max Planck Institut, Heidelberg, Germany)
* Joan Shenton, M.A. (Meditel, London, UK)
* John Anthony Morris, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Bell of Atari College Park, MD)

* Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. (Prof. Pharmacology & Toxicology, Rutgers Univ.,
Piscataway, NJ)


In addition there were 14 others who have added their signatures in July
1991.

By March 1993 the following persons had added their signatories:

* Vahagn Agbabian, D.O. (Pontiac, MI)
* Barry R. Alexavich (Cell Biologist, Bristol, CT)
* David T. Berner, M.D. (Condon, MT)
* Shelly B. Blam, Ph.D. (Alameda, CA)
* Lawrence Bradford, Ph.D. (Benedictine College, Atchison, KS)
* Carl Bradford, J.D. (San Diego, CA)
* Michael Callen (Author 'Surviving AIDS', Hollywood, CA)
* Melinda Calleira (Pres. Amer. Ass. Science & Public Policy, Los Angeles,
CA)
* Hiram Caton, Ph.D. (Prof. App. Ethics, Griffith Univ., Brisbane,
Australia)
* Dennis Chaney, Ph.D. (Chaney Scientific Inc. Burlingame, CA)
* Michelle Cochrane (Emeryville, CA)
* Hywel Davies, M.D. (Cardiologist, Pueblo West, CO)
* Marlowe Dittlebrandt, M.D. (Portland, OR)
* Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. (Prof. Mol. Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
* Bryan J. Ellison (Author, Berkeley, CA)
* Michael Ellner (HEAL, New York, NY)
* Fabio Franchi, M.D. (Trieste, Italy)
* Trish Fahey (New York, NY)
* Celia Farber (Writer, New York, NY)
* Lawrence A. Falk, Jr., Ph.D. (Virologist Abott Labs, Consultant NCI,
Chicago, IL)
* James A. Fimea, Ph.D. (Laguna Beach, CA)
* Harry Flynn, (Author, Hollywood, CA)
* William L. Gardner, Ph.D. (Wellesley, MA)
* Arnold W. Giddens (Shingle Springs, CA)
* Robert Grabowski (Birminghan, MI)
* Martin Haas, Ph.D. (Dept. Biology Cancer Center, Univ. Cal., San Diego,
CA)
* Alfred Haessig, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Immunolgy Univ. Bern, Switzerland)
* Urs Haldimann (Editor, Swiss Ass. Science Writers, Arisdorf,
Switzerland)
* Neville Hodgkinson (Science Correspondent The Sunday Times, London, UK)

* John Holmdahl, Ph.D. (Los Angeles, CA)
* Ross Horne (Montville, Queensland, Austalia)
* Heinrich Kremer, M.D. (Mueckenburg, Germany)
* Hans J. Kugler, Ph.D. (Editor Prev. Med. Update, Redondo Beach, CA)
* Robert Laarhoven (S.A.A.O., Hilversum, The Netherlands)
* Paul Lineback, M.S. (Eastern Oregon State College)
* Henk Loman, Ph.D. (Prof. Biophysics, Free Univ. Amsterdam, The
Netherlands)
* Judith Lopez (San Francisco, CA)
* Maurizio Luca-Moretti, Ph.D. (InterAmerican Medical Health Ass., Boca
Raton, FL)
* William H. McIlhany, I.R.F. (Beverly Hills, CA)
* Peter McKeever, L.L.B. (London, UK)
* Michael D. Mellgard (Los Angeles, CA)
* David Mertz (Dept. Philosophy, Univ. Massachusetts, Amherst)
* Richard Mitchell, Ph.D. (Assoc. Prof. Sociology, Oregon State Univ,
Corvalus, OR)
* Joseph E. Morrow, Ph.D. (Cal. State Univ. Sacramento, CA)
* Cindy Orser (Ast. Prof. Bacteriology, Univ. Idaho, Moscow, ID)
* Hannes G. Pauli, M.D. (Former Director Bern Univ. Med. Faculty, Bern,
Switzerland)
* Paul Rabinow, Ph.D. (Prof. Dept. Anthropology Univ. Cal., Berkeley, CA)

* Jon Rappoport (Author 'AIDS Inc.')
* Dennis D. Rathman (Staff Member Lincoln Labs, Lexington, MA)
* Rodney M. Richards, Ph.D. (Amgen Inc., Thousand Oaks, CA)
* Judith Riesman, Ph.D. (Author, Arlington, VA)
* Michael Ristow, Ph.D. (Bochum, Germany)
* Mel T. Roach (Avatar Research, Tuscon, AZ)
* Gary Robertson (Broadbeach Waters, Queensland, Australia)
* Frank Rothschild (Project Dir., Berkeley Project on Bioscience &
Society, CA)
* David F. Salehi, Ph.D. (Lake Dallas, TX)
* Caspar Schmidt, M.D. (Psychiatrist, New York)
* Russell Schoch (Editor California Monthly, Berkeley, CA)
* Frederic I. Scott, Jr. (Editor American Clinical Laboratory, Baltimore,
MD)
* Udo Schuklenk (Dept. Ethics, Monash Univ., Melbourne, Australia)
* Jeremy F. Selvey (Los Angeles, CA)
* David Shugar, Ph.D. (Prof. Biophysics, Univ. Warsaw, Editor Pharmacol.
Therap., Poland)
* Sonja Silva (Los Lunas, NM)
* Ernest G. Silver, Ph.D. (Radiation Biologist, Oak Ridge, TN)
* Lockie M. Swengel (Del Mar, CA)
* Frederick Tobin, Ph.D. (Gorke, Australia)
* Jack True (Clayton, GA)
* La Trombetta (Burzynski Research Inst., Houston, TX)
* Friedrich Ulmer, Ph.D. (Prof. Math. & Stat., Bergische Univ., Wuppertal,
Germany)
* Michael Verney-Elliot (Meditel, London, UK)
* Darrell G. Wells, Ph.D. (Emeritus Prof. Plant Sciences, Brookings, SD)
* Wai Yeung, M.D. (Orinda, CA)


By September 1993 the following persons had added their signatories:

* Jeanette S. Abel M.D. (Portland, OR)
* Jad Adams, M.A. (Author 'AIDS; The HIV Myth,' London, UK)
* Patricia Akeman, R.N. (Goleta, CA)
* John B. Andelin, M.D. (Mercy Hospital, Williston, ND)
* Mark Anderson, D.C. (Orlando, FL)
* James C. Baker, Ph.D. (Santa Rosa, CA)
* Andrew A. Benson, Ph.D. (La Jolla, CA)
* Richard M.A. Berger, DDS (Berkeley, CA)
* Robert W. Birge, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA)
* John S. Blankfort, DDS (San Francisco, CA)
* Dorothy L. Bosworth, Ph.D. (Carlsbad, CA)
* Tucker Brawner, DPM (Savannah, GA)
* Brian E. Briggs, M.D. (Minot, ND)
* Douglas W. Brown, M.D. (Portland, ME)
* John B. Burgin, DDS (Crowley, LA)
* Susan E. Caliri, DDS (Berkeley, CA)
* Ivor Catt, M.A. (St. Albans, UK)
* Asit K. Chakraborty, Ph.D. (Omaha, NE)
* Jack G. Chamberlain, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA)
* Colleen Cook, R.N. (Wilmington, DE)
* Daniel J. Corson, MFA (Seattle, WA)
* J. Mark Cox, DDS (Midland, TX)
* Etienne De Harven, M.D. (St. Cezaire sur Siagne, France)
* Richard W. DeLisle D.C. (Leominster, MA)
* James DeMeo Ph.D. (El Cerrito, CA)
* Thomas A. Dorman, M.D. (San Luis Obispo, CA)
* Mohammad Entezampour, Ph.D. (Dept. Biology Univ. North Texas, Denton,
TX)
* Rafael Escribano, Ph.D. (Dept. Span.& Port. Univ. Cal. Riverside, TX)
* Sami E. Fathalla, M.D., Ph.D. (Damman, Saudi Arabia)
* Richard A. Fisher (Inter. Acad. Oral Med. & Toxicol., Annandale, VA)
* Scott D. Flamm, M.D. (San Francisco, CA)
* Michael R. Fox Ph.D. (Richland, WA)
* Donato Fumarola, M.D. (Inst. Microbiolia Medica, Bari, Italy)
* Charles L. Geshekter, Ph.D. (Dept. History, Cal. State Univ, Chico, CA)

* Todd Gestaldo, D.C. (Sunnyvale, CA)
* Edward S. Golub, Ph.D. (Pacific Center for Ethics & App. Biol., Solana
Beach, CA)
* John Hardie, BDS (Dept. Dentistry Vancouver General Hospital, British
Columbia, Canada)
* Robert J. Henderson, D.C. (Locust Valley, NY)
* Charles A. Hill, M.D. (Houston, TX)
* Charles Hoff, Ph.D. (Univ. South. Alabama, AL)
* Mark E. Jarmel, D.C. (Santa Monica, CA)
* Anne Marie Jeay, Ph.D. (Univ. Nancy II, France)
* Jens Jerndal M.D. (Lanzarote, Spain)
* Donald J. Johnson, DDS (Coeur d'Alene, ID)
* William H. Jordan Jr, Ph.D. (Culver City, CA)
* Dennis G. Kinnane, DOM (Torrence, CA)
* Claus Kohnlein, M.D. (Kiel, Germany)
* Stefan T.J. Lanka, Ph.D. (Radolfzell, Germany)
* Barry A. Liebling, Ph.D. (New York, NY)
* Michel Lobrot, Ph.D. (Univ. Paris VIII, Les Lilas, France)
* Howard C. Mel, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA)
* Th. H.L. Michiels, M.D. (Vinkeveen, The Netherlands)
* James W. Miller, M.D. (San Leandro, CA)
* R. Munck, M.D. (Ceret, France)
* Cindy Nelson, M.A. (San Francisco, CA)
* Raymond W. Novaco, M.D. (Prof. Psychology & Soc. Behavior, Univ. Cal.,
Irvine, CA)
* Sam Okware, M.D. (Ministry of Health, Entebbe, Uganda)
* David J. Orman, M.Sc. (San Diego, CA)
* George N. Pasto, M.D. (Portland, OR)
* M. Dennis Paul, MscM (Amherst, NH)
* Jack Perrine, Ph.D. (Pasadena, CA)
* John L. Philp, M.D., MPH (Stockton, CA)
* Peter W. Plumley, FSA (Chicago, IL)
* Ronald F. Price, Ph.D. (La Trobe Univ., Bundoora, Victoria, Australia)
* David W. Rasnick, Ph.D. (Alameda, CA)
* Richard A. Ratner, M.D. (Bethesda, MD)
* Rogers Reddings, Ph.D. (Univ. North Texas, Denton, TX)
* Stephen J. Repitor, DPM (Oak Park, MI)
* Douglas Roise, M.D. (St. Joseph's Hospital, Dickenson, ND)
* Steven Roman, Ph.D. (San Diego, CA)
* Cristobal A.P. Sandoval, M.D. (Cuba)
* Alex Santoro, M.A. (Kansas City, MO)
* George Sarant, M.D. (Bronx, NY)
* David R. Schryer, Ph.D. (Hampton, VA)
* C. Grier Sellers, C.A. (Seattle, WA)
* James T. Shepherd, M.D. (Port Arthur, TX)
* John G. Shiber, Ph.D. (Univ. Kentucky, Prestonberg, KY)
* Irving P. Silberman, O.D. (Hyde Park, NY)
* Tony Smith, CAGS (New York, NY)
* James P. Snyder, Ph.D. (Glenview, IL)
* James K. Stack, LLD (San Francisco, CA)
* Mark S. Stanley, Ph.D. (Dept. Biol. Sciences, Univ. North Texas, Denton,
TX)
* Ralph R. Stephens, LMT (Cedar Rapids, IA)
* Joe Thomas, Ph.D. (ICMR-WHO Proj. on AIDS, Calcutta, India)
* Richard A. Tuscher, D.O. (Portland, OR)
* Jean van Camp, M.A. (New Martinsville, WV)
* Raul Vergini, M.D. (Predappio, Italy)
* James H. Warner, LLD (Rohersville, MD)
* Edward J. Wawszkiewicz, Ph.D. (Chicago, IL)
* Johathan C. Wells, Ph.D. (Fairfield, CA)
* Adrian M. Wenner, Ph.D. (Dept. Biol. Sciences, Univ. Cal., Santa
Barbara, CA)
* Manfred Wetter, Ph.D. (Copperbelt Univ., Kitwe, Zambia)
* Derek A. Wolfe, DBM (North Devon, UK)
* L.B. Work, M.D. (Monterey, CA)
* Hung-His Wu, Ph.D. (Dept. Math. Univ. Cal., Berkeley, CA)
* James Wu, M.D. (Foster City, CA)
* Stanley J. Zyskowski, Ph.D. (Farmington Hills, MI)
* Chr. Anti-Com. Crusade (Long Beach, CA)
* Mark Alampi (Project AIDS Inter., Los Angeles, CA)
* W.H. Beauman (Chicago, IL)
* Tom Bethell (Washington, DC)
* Darren S. Billings (Portland, ME)
* Lloyd Billingsley (San Diego, CA)
* David Black (New York, NY)
* Paul N. Borland (Coal Point, New South Wales, Australia)
* Douglas Bowes (Sarasota, FL)
* James Boyle (Alvin, TX)
* Harvey Braun (Bloomsfield, MI)
* Ernie Brown (Albuquerque, NM)
* Elizabeth Burbank (Seattle, WA)
* Peter J. Buxtun (San Francisco, CA)
* Colleen Y. Campbell (King City, CA)
* Eric R. Carle (New York, NY)
* David Carponter (Continuum, London, UK)
* Dagmar Carstensen (Washington, DC)
* Wm. J. Carter (Tucker, GA)
* John M. Chaplick (Haverhill, MA)
* Fred A. Cline, Jr. (San Francisco, CA)
* Annemarie Colbin (New York, NY)
* Patrick A. Cooke (Dept. Biology, Univ. North Texas, Denton, TX)
* Paul Coombs (Everette, WA)
* Bryan J. Coyle (Woodacre, CA)
* Timothy Cwiek (Philadelphia, PA)
* Pascal DeBock (London, UK)
* Douglas J. Didrick (Los Angeles, CA)
* Tom DiFerdinando (New York, NY)
* John P. Doyle (Philadelphia, PA)
* Gil Egger (Geneva, Switzerland)
* Alfredo Embid (Madrid, Spain)
* Todd Erickson (Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada)
* Carl Etterman (Hamtramck, MI)
* Carlos E. Fonseca (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
* Robert Friedman (Queens, NY)
* Arnold W. Giddens (Shingle Springs, CA)
* Cliff Kali Goodman (New York, NY)
* Kathy Goss (San Francisco, CA)
* James A. Grisanzio (Waltham, MA)
* William I. Grosky (Southfield, MI)
* Bob Guccione, Jr. (Editor Spin Magazine, New York, NY)
* Judy Hagbery (Prineville, OR)
* Tino Harikipoulo (Paris, France)
* Philip Harris (New York, NY)
* Byron R. Hartenstine (Muncy, PA)
* Ann Marie Heffner (Los Angeles, CA)
* Jane Heimlich (Cincinnatti, OH)
* Richard Henriques (London, UK)
* Ron & Linda Hiebert (Apo, AE)
* Hippocrates Health Centre (Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia)
* James P. Hogan (Pensacola, FL)
* William T. Holmes (San Diego, CA)
* Chase Hooks (Irving, TX)
* Joe Horton (Foresthill, CA)
* Carroll L. Hoyt (Escondido, CA)
* Vic Humeniuk (Monterey, TN)
* I.U.A.A. (Dortmund, Germany)
* Thomas Izzo (Union City, NY)
* Brian Jacobs (Ft. Lauderdale, FL)
* Allen L. Jogerst (Kalamazoo, MI)
* Christine Johnson (Venice, CA)
* Douglas B. Johnson (East Lansing, MI)
* Edna Ileana Johnson (Albuquerque, NM)
* Creton Kalfoglou (Vienna, Austria)
* Preston J. Kauffman (Pasadena, CA)
* Tim Keller (New York, NY)
* Vladimir L. Koliadin (Kharkov, Ukraine)
* Al Korostynski (Northhampton, MA)
* Daniela Kotev (Lakewood, CA)
* Edward Kowalczyk (Arlington Heights, IL)
* Philippe Krynen (Kagera, Tanzania)
* Sylvestre Kupczak (Paris, France)
* Thomas Kursar (New York, NY)
* Ilse Lass (Berlin, Germany)
* Richard A. Laune (Olathe, KS)
* Lisbeth Lauritzen (Brighton, MA)
* Fernando Levy (Oakland, CA)
* Judith Lopez (San Francisco, CA)
* Dariusz Lakaszynski (Univ. Lund, Sweden)
* Clemmer Mayhew III (Delray Beach, FL)
* Raoul Mazzoni (Reseda, CA)
* Mark McClenaghan (New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada)
* Mark McNeil (Cincinnati, OH)
* Nina Menkes (West Hollywood, CA)
* Ronald E. Milligan (Westminster, CA)
* Fritz H. Mishler (Willamina, OR)
* Clark Molstad (Cal. State Univ., San Bernardino, CA)
* Byron Morgan (Lake Arrowhead, CA)
* Christopher Morrill (San Anselmo, CA)
* Ted Morrison (Park Forest, IL)
* Linda L. Muri (Sudsbury, MA)
* Leah Neal (Austin, TX)
* James W. Nugent (Laguna Beach, CA)
* Jean-Paul Ouelette (Daly City, CA)
* Gerard Pollender (Sherbrook, Quebec, Canada)
* Gordon Punt (Cotati, CA)
* Pamela M. Quinn (Hamel, MN)
* E.A. Racette (New Brunswick, NJ)
* Molly Ratcliffe (London, UK)
* Karen Reedstrom (Roayl Oak, MI)
* Hildegard B. Richter (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
* Dick Rider (San Diego, CA)
* Gary Robertson (Arundel Crest, Queensland, Australia)
* G. Seven Rose (Boston, MA)
* Pece Salvatore (Bari, Italy)
* Cornell Scanlan (Sunnyvale, CA)
* Edward Scanlon (Kansas City, MO)
* Kawi Schneider (Berlin, Germany)
* Michelle B. Shwartz (Oakland, CA)
* Doug Scott (Sacramento, CA)
* James M. Scutero (New York, NY)
* Jean Seely (Roseville, MI)
* John Shaloub (Lyndhurst, NJ)
* Thomas S. Serrill (St. Gabriel, LA)
* Michael D. Sliva (Dallas, TX)
* E. David Smith (Berkeley, CA)
* Toren Smith (San Francisco, CA)
* Herb Snyder (Lake Shore, MN)
* Jeremy Stagg (Warragul, Victoria, Australia)
* Erich Steeg (Daly City, CA)
* Danny Stout (Los Angeles, CA)
* Nathan Stout (Yountville, CA)
* Terrance Leon Sullivan (Los Angeles, CA)
* Hubert O. Teer, Jr. (Durham, NC)
* Hames Thompson (Dowling, MI)
* Charles Thorstenberg (Norman, OK)
* Ralph Torello (Richardson, TX)
* John R. Totter (Oak Ridge, TN)
* James Trabulse (San Francisco, CA)
* Marianne Ueberschar (Downsview, Onatrio, Canada)
* Yahshua Walls (Cincinnati, OH)
* Anita Weissberg (San Francisco, CA)
* Lois Wells (Brookings, SD)
* Jody Wells (Continuum, London, UK)
* John S. Wiggins (Los Angeles, CA)
* Paul R. Zappala (New York, NY)
* Mark Zimmerman (Boston, MA)
* Marvin R. Kitzerow Jr. (Chicago, IL)
* George Milowe, M.D. (Malden, MA)
* John Voll (Los Angeles, CA)

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Post by tsip29
In Medicine one must pay attention not to plausible theorizing but to
experience and reason together...I agree that theorizing is to be
approved, provided that it is based on facts, and systematically makes its
deductions from what is observed...But conclusions drawn from unaided
reason can hardly be serviceable; only those drawn from observed fact —
Hippocrates
if it is clear that hiv alone cause aids. why is it then, that a big group
of respectable aidresearchers / docters challange the hiv/aids theory.

THIS QUESTION is today on the 26. March 2020 even more relevant... because we are in the middle of the "corona" crises... and similar questions remain valid...